In a conversation titled “Democratic Leadership in a Populist Age,” the Turnbulls also touched on migration, free trade, indigenous rights and diversity. Speaking about governing and creating a new plan for a city as diverse as Sydney, Lucy Turnbull said one of her projects was to increase the number of women in the workforce, an idea organized around women’s safety.
“But that idea is not exclusionary, because in order to have a place safe for women, it also has to be safe for children, and it also has to feel safe for minorities,” she said. “So, in fact it is the opposite of exclusionary.”
Malcolm Turnbull also commented on the recent Dominion Voting Systems case and mentioned that while evidence shows key figures at Fox News didn’t believe conspiracies about the election, they continued to tell and amplify lies. “People are entitled to their own opinion, but they’re not entitled to their own facts,” he said. “If we don’t push back on lies, well get into a situation where the creation of false narratives is going to put democracy at risk.”
He also highlighted the role of universities like UVA and entities like the Miller Center and the Center for Asia-Pacific Resilience and Innovation, or CAPRI, to be champions for the truth. “You need honest brokers, whether they are universities or think tanks, actually getting the facts out there, because you can’t rely on the mainstream media and social media to do that,” he said.
Kyle Touse, a UVA alumnus who was the policy director for the House Rules Committee on Capitol Hill in 2014 to 2015 and worked on the Trans-Pacific Partnership, asked the former prime minister about why the trade deal didn’t work for the U.S. Turnbull said the Trans-Pacific Partnership wasn’t all about trade, but also about strategy and national security. The 12-country partnership, from which the U.S. withdrew after Trump’s election, is still working with new applications from the United Kingdom, Taiwan and China to join the coalition.