Q&A: Can the nation’s civilian and military leaders still get along?

The U.S. military and the country’s leadership have had an unusually cordial relationship for more than 200 years, but an increasingly divisive political climate and dysfunctional government could change the dynamic.

Philip Potter, director of the National Security Policy Center at the University of Virginia’s Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy, talked with UVA Today about the relationship and some of the challenges it may face.

The center and the Batten School will host a panel discussion Friday at 1 p.m. at Garrett Hall on the changing landscape of civilian-military relations, featuring a former deputy secretary of defense, a retired four-star commander of U.S. Central Command, a former undersecretary of the Air Force, and a senior fellow of Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

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Philip Potter, director of the National Security Policy Center at the Frank Batten School of Leadership and Public Policy, is concerned about what political polarization means for civic-military relations. (Photo by Matt Riley, University Communications)

Q. What is the traditional relationship between the U.S. military and the civilian governments, whether federal or state?

A. The core principle is simple. The civilians are in charge, and the military is subordinate to that authority and the law, but they bear certain rights and responsibilities in that framework: to provide the best military advice, to object, to resign if they need to.

In the United States, we are fortunate to have firmly established civilian authority and military institutions that are highly respectful to that authority. But if that’s going to continue to be a healthy working relationship, we need civilians to have certain respectful attitudes with regard to both the expertise and autonomy of military professionals. In the end, we are striking and maintaining a delicate balance in which we have a highly capable and professional military that is an instrument to the state.

The people with the guns have to listen to the people without the guns, and that’s obviously not an easy equilibrium to hang on to.

Q. The Founding Fathers had concerns about a strong, standing military. Why?

A. The Founding Fathers, with some cause given the experiences of their time, couldn’t envision a world where civilian-military relations would be good enough that a standing army would not either become a temptation or a threat – a temptation for expansive use of the military by leaders or a threat to the democracy itself.

Therefore, they considered it an inherently dangerous creature, one that you probably shouldn’t keep around more than you have to. That was a reasonable approach early in our history, but disbanding the military when you’re not using it isn’t realistic for a global superpower. The United States projects power around the world, and the nature of military capability now requires a great deal of training and expertise. This is no longer about mustering a local militia and equipping them with muskets. 

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Over time, we developed very intricate laws and norms around the ways in which civilian authorities and military experts interact with one another. This allowed us to have civil-military relations that are the envy of the world. Countries send their officers to our war colleges to learn these norms and thereby how to keep something as big and inherently dangerous as a capable military force under such exquisite control.

Maintaining these norms requires constant attention and maintenance. The event on Friday is part of a larger initiative to equip the next generation of military and civilian defense leaders with an appreciation for the value of healthy civil-military relations and a deep understanding of the challenges.  

Q. How does the divisive politics of the civilian leadership affect the military leadership?

A. The way we think about civil-military relations largely comes out of the 1950s and 1960s. It didn’t seem like it then, but those were relatively easy times for civil-military relations, and we need to be taking seriously what they look like now and how we can preserve them in a more politically polarized environment.

At the (National Security Policy Center), we’ve been thinking about these issues for several years. The recent meeting that President Trump and Secretary Hegseth called with the senior military officers at Quantico put civil-military relations in the headlines, but this is a longstanding and very bipartisan problem. Presidents of both parties increasingly turn to high-ranking military officers to fill civilian roles, like secretary of defense. That’s because the military is highly respected, and if you’re in a civilian position, you want to bask in that reflected reputation. At the same time, we’re seeing lots of generals from both sides of the aisle on cable news expressing partisan opinions that would have historically been out of bounds.  At the middle level, you see a lot of pressure inside military institutions as service becomes siloed demographically, geographically and politically. The idea of shared commitment and burden is breaking down. And at the lower levels, we see increasing concern over political extremism in the ranks.

UVA has the opportunity to rebuild commitment to norms of civil-military relations in the next generation. Our students disproportionately pursue national security careers as civilians and in uniform. If they’ve thought through these issues in advance while they’re with us, they’ll be in a better position to serve. 

Q. How long has this been a concern?

A. The present state of affairs has evolved over decades. Recent headlines led a lot of folks to pay attention to this issue and think through what those norms are, but the pressure has been mounting for a long time. Calling the military brass to Quantico was unusual, but it’s part of a much larger and longer story. There’s something much bigger going on here around the tension between civilian and military authority. We’re trying to have an impact on students to prepare them to think through what public service means in that environment.

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